tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post960127225409060626..comments2023-10-01T16:53:17.274+01:00Comments on Cicero's Songs: Devil's AdvocateCicerohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02090838836212624633noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-38049980390224763362007-08-29T11:56:00.000+01:002007-08-29T11:56:00.000+01:00Well, having just come back to Zagreb, I woud say ...Well, having just come back to Zagreb, I woud say that wars in the Balkans are far from inevitable, for centuries to come. Allowing fascists to take charge is not a good thing, of course, but that its a problem far from uinique to the Balkan states.Cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02090838836212624633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-19422873423196896602007-08-29T11:05:00.000+01:002007-08-29T11:05:00.000+01:00America is the superpower and is required to step ...America is the superpower and is required to step in to stop wars, that's absolutely true. The problem with the Balkans is that they will be fighting for centuries to come, whatever we do. There has been peace across the rest of Europe and now all of the eastern states are in there is no chance of war.<BR/><BR/>Europe is not set up to fight wars. What Europe does is to support the peace after the Americans have 'bombed people back to the stone age'. That's why European spending on reconstruction dwarfs the American involvement. <BR/><BR/>They knock down and we build up. I'm pretty clear which side I want to be on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-6732705847535557782007-08-28T16:05:00.000+01:002007-08-28T16:05:00.000+01:00Outside of the Balkans?! Pretty big exception no. ...Outside of the Balkans?! Pretty big exception no. 200,000 plus killed, millions made homeless. What stopped it? Nato and American firepower that's what. The EU was nowhere. Germany backed Croatia, France and Greece were sympathetic to Serbia and we were in between. The EU kept the peace myth is a paper tiger, exposed as soon as there's a crisis. As further proof it was Nato and America banging heads together in Macedonia that stopped that blowing up. FFS<BR/><BR/><BR/>LepidusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-2468180545479562102007-08-28T14:35:00.000+01:002007-08-28T14:35:00.000+01:00Europe has been absolutely crucial to the peace in...Europe has been absolutely crucial to the peace in this continent. Lining up all our guns and bombs together does not create peace, making people think that they actually have a joint futurew and they might even like to visit each others' countries does.<BR/><BR/>Sure, NATO has been important in reining in the ambitions of the aggressive superpower, which otherwise might have sought to go all the way to Moscow but it has not engendered the peace which now peravdes every level of our European society outside of the sickly Balkans.<BR/><BR/>Keep the logic coming, Cicero.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-31451522492867790722007-08-25T14:46:00.000+01:002007-08-25T14:46:00.000+01:00ConsulOh please there ar many valid pro EU argumen...Consul<BR/><BR/><BR/>Oh please there ar many valid pro EU arguments but you're not trotting out the old the EU has stopped Europe going to war again myth are you. I rather think Nato, the mutual threat of the USSR for forty years plus the Marshall plan plus several hundred thousand US troops had rather more to do with it don't you think............<BR/><BR/>LepidusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com