tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post4712243702293178180..comments2023-10-01T16:53:17.274+01:00Comments on Cicero's Songs: The real threat of FascismCicerohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02090838836212624633noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-66999640213122874372009-03-25T10:21:00.000+00:002009-03-25T10:21:00.000+00:00I think here I can truly say, you started it . For...I think here I can truly say, you started it . For years every Conservative expressing concern about immigration cultural coherence, moral standards or indeed anything that is not flying in with the prevailing Liberal wind has been referred to as a Nazi.<BR/>Fortunately this childish rubbish has so devalued the word that it can now be tossed about in the direction of the merely unpleasantly authoritarian .<BR/>In this sense Liberals are Nazis as they believe they have a unique access to knowledge and a formula for such unlikely outcomes as curing world poverty and goodness knows what else. Also because of tjeir greatyer will9ongness to use coercion whether over Europe smoking or their various Politically correct objectives . They are thre swftest to impose as they are the least aware that others disagree . Coercion is unavoidable as they are a minority exercising power over a majority.<BR/>The Liberal Party also have some characteristics of a terrorist organisation. It is in fact an outlet for wide ranging dissatisfaction ranging from quasi puritan anti technologists , animal rights New Ageists as well as Socialists sitting bewilderingly with Classical Liberals . Above this is a contrastingly disciplined officer class from the usual Public School elite and a viciously dishonest local campaigning machine loathed for their personal attacks and willingness to use anything to hand . It is less a Party and more a Franchise <BR/><BR/>The Liberals feels himself to be a lonely voice of genius in a stupid world and therefore the ends for him justifies the means . Meanwhile the larger Liberal Constituency exercises its real power through the state sector as the professional class of the government. <BR/><BR/>So I think using the modern weak usage of the world Nazi Liberals can be said to be Nazis with some fairnessNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-19073563094326353812009-03-23T19:13:00.000+00:002009-03-23T19:13:00.000+00:00I believe that Mr Craig was thrown out of the Libe...I believe that Mr Craig was thrown out of the Liberal Democrats for refusing to recant his unstinting support for a Greater Serbia. He also has a bit of a thing about what he refers to as 'windmills'. All very colourful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-85872209597129631462009-03-23T16:44:00.000+00:002009-03-23T16:44:00.000+00:00Hello Caron, Thank you for the kind words- sorry t...Hello Caron, Thank you for the kind words- sorry to miss you at PerthCicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02090838836212624633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-3094155714374702912009-03-23T16:43:00.000+00:002009-03-23T16:43:00.000+00:00Yes, I agree with Tristan and Matthew- Fascism is ...Yes, I agree with Tristan and Matthew- Fascism is much abused and there is more to it than just the issues of racism. there is also an irrational cult of leadership and a general rejection of discourse and intellect in favour of a "triumph of the will". I would not go so far as to say that the policies of the current Labour government are fascist- but I would certainly say that they are authoritarian.<BR/><BR/>I oppose authoritarianism, I defy Fascism.Cicerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02090838836212624633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-1365245122507081642009-03-23T15:34:00.000+00:002009-03-23T15:34:00.000+00:00We are mistaken if we think fascism is primarily a...We are mistaken if we think fascism is primarily about racism. Mussolini's fascism wasn't racist until it came under the influence of Hitler's National Socialism.<BR/><BR/>What fascism was about was the idea that politics and debate, leading to compromise solutions was a bad thing. Rather, it would be better if the state were run by a strong charismatic leader who, not having to get agreement from some squabbling assembly of politicians, could "get things done".<BR/><BR/>It is these sorts of ideas we should beware of if we want to stop fascism re-arising, we should not be distracted by thinking that it's only fascism if it's racist. <BR/><BR/>That is why I believe the clamour for directly elected executive mayor is the most fascist thing in current UK politics. The arguments made for this idea are pure fascism, and they remain pure fascism even when they are made by leading political commentators and politicians in all three of the major UK political parties.<BR/><BR/>When I have said this - and I started saying it when the local authority where I was Leader of the Opposition wished to pioneer the idea - I have been accused of being one of those who is just throwing the word "fascism" around just as an insult. No, that is precisely NOT what I am doing when I say that directly elected executive mayors are fascist. I am using the word in its proper technical sense.Matthew Huntbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255872047710686115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-82511030704844366382009-03-23T12:51:00.000+00:002009-03-23T12:51:00.000+00:00The term fascist is much abused - it is a frighten...The term fascist is much abused - it is a frightening political philosophy, but one which has features which are accepted without question by most people, but most use it as a term of abuse for ideas they dislike.<BR/><BR/>As David Ramsay Steele concludes in his <A HREF="http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm" REL="nofollow">essay about Mussolini</A>:<BR/><I>most of the world's people in the second half of the twentieth century were ruled by governments which were closer in practice to Fascism than they were either to liberalism or to Marxism-Leninism.</I><BR/>(this includes in my mind the current government)<BR/><BR/>What we are now starting to see (accelerated due to the economic turmoil) is the emergence of more strident nationalism and with it racism and xenophobia (and I'm sure anti-semitism will rear its ugly head again).<BR/>I wouldn't be surprised to see more overtly fascist positions being taken by members of all parties...Tristanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15395992764678278326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15037609.post-90688301693740740572009-03-23T10:22:00.000+00:002009-03-23T10:22:00.000+00:00What worries me most about this posting is that yo...What worries me most about this posting is that you are so often right.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.com